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<WarrenLayton> | Are we starting at 7? |
<raj> | yes |
<WarrenLayton> | How do you log your session in xchat? (other than the raw log) |
<raj> | thats the only way i know of.. |
<WarrenLayton> | OK. Thanks raj. |
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<Xenguy> | greetz |
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<vic> | Woo. Quorum |
| scjody should be here in a little it too. |
<Xenguy> | vic: I told ya, piece of cake ;-) |
<vic> | Mmm. Cake |
<raj> | Xenguy: you can say 'i gnu it' |
| :) |
<Xenguy> | haha |
| raj: it's a gnu thing man |
<raj> | nah.. its been around forever now |
* Xenguy | whispers, my daughter's birthday was this weekend, there's still cake... |
* raj | reminds xenguy that he lives very close to his house now.. |
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<MikeKenzie> | * Approve minutes of December 15 meeting. |
| * Review the action items from previous meeting(s) |
| * Speaker(s) |
| o Need a new meeting coordinator |
| o Speaker for February |
| o Speaker for March, and future... |
| * OCLUG volunteers for OSW |
| * OCLUG Knoppix for OSW |
| * OCLUG Website: Should we adopt ajh's new design? http://www.finux.org/oclug/ |
| * Board elections |
| * dle: Removing the Beer item from the Newcomer Information page. I know. I'm a killjoy. |
| * dle: last minute entry -- the volunteering problem |
| * Budget for 2004 |
| * linux-jobs |
| * links to other LUGS - Gatineau, CLUE, Kingston? |
<Xenguy> | raj: reminds? You never told me that - where? |
<vic> | Woo...saves me from looking @wiki. :) |
<raj> | just off parkdale near the parkway |
<MikeKenzie> | we've got a full list tonight |
<vic> | In navarre actually here yet? |
| And what about WarrenLayton? |
<WarrenLayton> | Here |
<navarre> | I'm here |
<vic> | Great. We have quroum. Might as well get started. |
<Xenguy> | raj: like the Queensway? |
<raj> | no, like the ottawa river parkway |
<Xenguy> | ah right |
<vic> | Xenguy: You're taking minutes, etc? |
<Xenguy> | vic: sure - I *think* I'm logging - if someone else could too that would be helpful |
| (log I mean) |
* raj | hands Xenguy a chainsaw |
<Xenguy> | We're in trouble here tonight |
* Xenguy | points at raj |
<raj> | i was only trying to help :( |
<Xenguy> | ;-) |
| so chairperson dude |
<raj> | okay.. so its | 7:03 |
<WarrenLayton> | Xenguy: I will be logging too. |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: tx |
<raj> | wow. lots of firewood now |
<vic> | OK...Well, did everyone look at the minutes from Dec.? Any comments? |
* Xenguy | looks quickly... |
<WarrenLayton> | Absolutely beautiful...;-) |
<navarre> | looked fine to me |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: ;-) |
| I think I saw them way back when - fine with me |
<raj> | ditto |
<vic> | OK. Can we agree that we approve minutes of last meeting? |
<MikeKenzie> | OK with me |
<vic> | I say yes... |
| Beauty, eh! |
| OK...so...action items from last meeting. |
| We got our speaker for Jan, etc...that's good. |
<WarrenLayton> | What about Feb? |
<Xenguy> | vic: still need a feb speaker |
<vic> | No speaker for Feb yet (will discuss later) |
<WarrenLayton> | OK |
<vic> | We'll have to wait to hear from scjody if he worked on the knoppix at all. |
<Xenguy> | we didn't really discuss the 'beer' thing AFAIK |
<vic> | Did anyone talk to potential sponsors for knoppix? Not me.... |
| Yeah, dle put the beer on the agenda. |
<MikeKenzie> | CLUE/LPI is a potntail sponsor |
<vic> | Hey...where is dle? |
<Xenguy> | hah |
<vic> | pot'n'tail? Woo! |
<navarre> | wow, he's like furniture here normally :) |
<Xenguy> | yeah didn't notice he was missing :p |
<vic> | OK. Well, we have one potential sponsor for knoppix.... |
<MikeKenzie> | the event has also been pushed back a bit so there is more time |
<vic> | perhaps ajh/Steamballoon would be interested as well. |
| Yes...more time...but we shouldn't let it slide. |
| And the only other action item was to discuss the "beer" item...but I guess we'll do that later at this meeting anyway. |
<MikeKenzie> | election wiki page is in place |
<WarrenLayton> | ...we just need more candidates |
<vic> | Oh yes...saw that too. It was up before end of last meeting. :) Thanks WarrenLayton |
| Yeah...I will be perosnally asking certain people shortly. |
<WarrenLayton> | Thanks MikeKenzie :-) |
<vic> | I encourage everyone else to do so as well. |
<MikeKenzie> | We could draft people |
* Xenguy | dodges... |
<vic> | Force them at gunpoint to run. :) |
| OK...so...what's next.... |
<navarre> | Ah, shotgun politics. |
<Xenguy> | hehe |
<vic> | 3) Speakers. |
| We need a meeting coordinator. |
<MikeKenzie> | we could resort to bribery we do have cash |
<Xenguy> | what is -> " Need a new meeting coordinator" |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: kyle is no longer meeting coordinator? |
<vic> | Kyle gave up the meeting coord. position. |
<Xenguy> | ahhh |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: Briefly, what does it involve? |
<vic> | Xenguy: We need someone to take the lead on finding speakers, making sure we have projectors, etc. |
| That's about it, really. |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: yeh, lining people up |
<vic> | And they don't even need to do all the work...just make sure it gets done by *somebody*. |
* Xenguy | wonders if OCLUG actually has any extroverts... |
<vic> | If a board member wants to do that, that's fine. But we can definitely make use of a non-board-member too. |
| OK....post your suggestions now of people that we can ask to take on this role. |
<navarre> | In that case, we might want to defer until we can ask the general population. |
<vic> | We can ask people individually too. We tend to have better success with that. |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: I can volunteer to do this. |
<vic> | WarrenLayton: That would be excellent. |
<Xenguy> | woohoo |
<vic> | Any objections to Warren doing this task? |
<WarrenLayton> | Where do we usually get our projectors? |
<vic> | MikeKenzie organized the last projector. |
| Bart also brought one from work recently. |
<MikeKenzie> | no one location, Nitro has offered but I couldn't get ahold of them last month |
<WarrenLayton> | OK. MikeKenzie, perhaps I'll talk to you about this shortly. |
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<scjody> | re |
<vic> | Great. So we've got a volunteers. Let's move on. |
| hi scjody. |
| Didn't miss much yet. |
| We just looked at old minutes, and WarrenLayton has offered to me out new meeting coordinator. |
<Xenguy> | s/me/be |
| s/out/our |
<vic> | Thanks. :) |
<Xenguy> | ;-) |
<vic> | On that note....we need a speaker for Feb. |
<Xenguy> | hrm |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: I guess Robert Love fell through, then? |
<vic> | It didn't really fall through yet.... |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: good point |
<vic> | ...because we haven't agreed to bring him. |
<WarrenLayton> | What about MCR (I think he wanted to do a UML talk) |
<vic> | But perhaps it's not too late if we talk to ajh right away. |
| Yes...we should have someone local lined up, and maybe get Robert Love if we can. |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: I seem to recall that too |
| So do we want RL - I thought everyone was in favour (mostly?) |
| ? |
<navarre> | Sounds cool to me. Adds credibility to the group. |
<vic> | Yes. I think there were no objections to RL. |
<WarrenLayton> | Xenguy: Me too. |
<vic> | If we can't get him for Feb, we should go for March. |
* Xenguy | aye's |
<raj> | what was the deal with RL again? |
<MikeKenzie> | Can we check asap so that we can get a local speaker if there is a delay |
<vic> | raj: Kernel hacker for ximian/novell. Works on getting kernel better suited for desktop use. |
| MikeKenzie: Yes, that's exactly what we should do. |
<Xenguy> | raj: it will cost $$$ |
<raj> | so why were there any objections? |
| ah.. okay |
<vic> | WarrenLayton: Can you follow this up with ajh, and maybe get things rolling with MCR? |
<Xenguy> | raj: there weren't any objections AFAIK |
<MikeKenzie> | Novell might pick up the tab? |
<vic> | That's a possibility.... |
<scjody> | Why would they? |
<WarrenLayton> | I kind of doubt it for a LUG meeting |
<vic> | Yeah... |
<Xenguy> | scjody: they want to buy us free beer |
<vic> | But you never know. I guess that would be for RL to try and figure out. |
| Should we set an upper-limit for the budget? |
<raj> | good idea |
<Xenguy> | vic: definitely - wasn't there a figure mentioned already (US$) ? |
<MikeKenzie> | I think 350 US was mentioned |
<vic> | Anyone remember the cost that ajh quoted? |
<scjody> | <ajh> Its from Florida so shouldn't be more than about $350 or so. |
<vic> | Yup. |
| That's US...so about $00 canadian. |
| err. |
| $500 |
<scjody> | Wow! Free! |
<vic> | It's Linux! |
<MikeKenzie> | it may also increase the donations fo the night if we can promote it in time |
<Xenguy> | http://oclug.on.ca/archives/oclug-board/ 2004-January/005246.html |
| (that's one piece of the thread) |
<vic> | yes...we should push for bugger donations that night...and advertise the hell out oif it. |
| But before we get to talking about that....we should make sure we're actually getting RL. |
<raj> | k. so lets keep that as the upper limit (if its okay with the finances) and see if we can get sponsorships/contributions/whatever |
<scjody> | So let's say $600 as the limit. |
* vic | agrees with raj |
<vic> | Yeah...flight costs may fluctuate depending on time, etc.... |
<Xenguy> | US$350 == ?? |
<MikeKenzie> | OK |
<vic> | $600 may be reasonable. |
<raj> | Xenguy: $450 or so i believe |
<Xenguy> | OK so we're tacking on $150 ? |
| That's another third |
<vic> | Xenguy: Yeah..we can't be sure what a flight will cost until someone goies to pay for it. |
<raj> | $455.525 at today's rate |
<vic> | e.g....flights to Hamilton can be $69....or $399.... |
* Xenguy | shrugs (as long as we know why we're doing it) |
<MikeKenzie> | ajh said he would cover accomodations |
<vic> | But ajh looked up a price when we were chatting, and $350 was what he found at the time. So it may be more, it may be less. |
| I wouldn't want to go much higher.... |
<navarre> | unfortunately it tends to change from day to day |
<vic> | yup |
<Xenguy> | vic: agreed |
<vic> | OK...can we agree that we try to get RL, with a $600 budget limit? |
<navarre> | make sure the price includes security fees, etc... |
<vic> | yup |
<Xenguy> | yeah, no extra hidden costs |
<vic> | $600 *total* budget. |
* Xenguy | says aye |
<navarre> | agreed |
<WarrenLayton> | agreed |
<MikeKenzie> | And that's not taking the nights donations off |
<vic> | agreed |
<navarre> | how much can we hope to recoup? |
<MikeKenzie> | agreed |
<scjody> | If it's cheaper for March, do we want to do that instead? Assuming it's still the same to RML. |
<MikeKenzie> | we normally take about $100/night |
<vic> | scjody: Sure, doesn't amtter to me. Let's figure out when he's available or when he wants to come first. |
<raj> | march would give us more advertisement opportunity |
<Xenguy> | scjody: good point - let's go with cheap if timing is flexible |
<vic> | Yeah..want to try to push for March? |
<navarre> | not to mention, he's from Florida. Lets bring him up in March so he doesn't freeze to death. :) |
<MikeKenzie> | That will let us get it into Monitor |
<Xenguy> | heheh |
| vic: might as well |
<WarrenLayton> | and from what ajh said, Feb may not be feasible at this point |
<Xenguy> | why rush if we don't have too? |
<vic> | OK. |
| Anyone disagree? |
* Xenguy | drops a pin... |
<WarrenLayton> | not I |
<navarre> | hey, quite down there Xenguy |
| quiet even |
<MikeKenzie> | so MCR for Feb and RL for march |
<Xenguy> | sorry, sorry |
| sounds like a plan |
* raj | agrees |
<vic> | Sure, if we can get MCR. Need to get more people for Feb still too. But we'll work on that... |
| Alrgiht..are we ready to move on? |
* Xenguy | nods |
<navarre> | aye cap'n |
<WarrenLayton> | yep |
<vic> | Woo. |
<MikeKenzie> | OSW is now looking at March 27 for the event |
<vic> | OK...OCLUG voluteers for OSW. |
<WarrenLayton> | I can help man the OCLUG booth |
<vic> | I'm a little confused...what's the correct wiki page for *OCLUG* people to sign up? |
<navarre> | does osw have a homepage? |
<raj> | osw.ca |
<MikeKenzie> | the OCLUG page is for the OCLUG booth, the OSW page is for OSW, I have them both in the wiki |
<vic> | Is OCLUG doing out own thing on our wiki, or is everything going on on the OSW wiki? |
| OK |
| Well, we should make sure we have our stuff together for this.... |
| Again...try to talk to other people to get them to help out. |
| So...what else were we suppose to talk about on this item? |
<MikeKenzie> | perl mongers have a few speakers |
| that's about it, just keep people thinking about it |
<vic> | Alright...anything else we should talk bout re: OSW volunteers? |
| going once... |
| twice... |
| sold. |
| OK...OCLUG Knoppix.... |
| scjody? |
<scjody> | I haven't had time to work on it. |
<vic> | Fair enough. |
| Mike mentioned that he might have a sponsor for it if we get some printed |
<scjody> | Yeah, he mentioned that to me too. |
<vic> | OK. So we're still interested in doing this if we can get sponsors, etc, right? |
<scjody> | Nobody's said we aren't. There's still enough time to get them printed, assuming I can find some time, due to the OSW date change. |
<MikeKenzie> | I also haven't heard back from Healy disk, so we may need to find someone to print them |
<vic> | OK. Well, we should keep an eye on this and not let the deadline slip. |
| Any other comments about Knoppix? |
| I guess not. |
| Next item: OCLUG Website: Should we adopt ajh's new design? http://www.finux.org/oclug/ |
<Xenguy> | point of clarification |
<WarrenLayton> | I prefer the old look, but ajh's navigation links (on the left hand side) are better organized. |
<Xenguy> | This is not a 'new design'... |
| this is a code upgrade... |
| i.e. from tables -> CSS |
<WarrenLayton> | Ah. |
<MikeKenzie> | my first reaction was what changed, but some of the content is new |
<Xenguy> | IMO |
<vic> | Right. |
<navarre> | Moving to CSS is fine with me. Doesn't look all that different, but CSS is easier to maintain. |
<vic> | I think it's a little better organized, and may make the maintenance easier. |
<WarrenLayton> | I like CSS, but let's try to make look a little less drab. |
<scjody> | He mentioned that he is up for suggestions on colours. The old ones were designed to match the ugly logo, which he removed (phew!) |
<Xenguy> | I think the move to CSS is the right idea... |
<vic> | ajh has tweaked the colours various ways...so that should be simple to do if we think it looks too drab |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: I know - it should be trivial. |
<MikeKenzie> | I'd fix the fonts |
<navarre> | I'll run it by my wife. She has a great eye. |
<Xenguy> | I think the look-n-feel right now is awful frankly |
<scjody> | Fix? |
<navarre> | I see nothing wrong with the fonts. |
<Xenguy> | I meant that the new look is a step backwards in terms of look-n-feel |
<vic> | The fonts look a wee bit small at work (1600x1200 at 19") but they're fine at home. |
<WarrenLayton> | How does the site look on various browsers (ie: IE)? I know some do CSS differently than others. |
<vic> | I think the big space at the top looks pretty empty...but perhaps the main content could get moved up. |
<navarre> | hang on... |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: it looks fine, except for Nav 4.x |
<WarrenLayton> | Xenguy: That's to be expected. |
<vic> | It works in Netscape 4.x,but is a little ugly. |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: yes |
<scjody> | vic: That was the original intent, but people objected to making such a large change from the original. |
| (the space at the top, not NS4) |
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<navarre> | the fonts dont' look as good in IE. They may need tweaking. |
<Xenguy> | navarre: the fonts should be sans-serif |
<navarre> | since we're preaching great stuff like _any browser_ |
<vic> | Well, it *works* in any reasonable browser. Just doesn't necessarily look amazing in certain browsers. |
<navarre> | Xenguy: not sure. They're just not as nicely anti-aliased |
| I'll check mozilla on winblows too |
<dle> | is this the currectn site or the on-deck one? |
<Xenguy> | dle: ? |
<WarrenLayton> | navarre: firebird on Windows renders it fine, AFAIK |
<vic> | dle: ajh's |
<navarre> | WarrenLayton: Looks fine, but could look better is all. Looks great on my Fedora box here. |
| anywho |
<dle> | ah. fwiw, the current one render without ai here on Fb. |
<vic> | in my opinion, I think we should use it an tweak some of the way it looks. |
<MikeKenzie> | I just enlarged things and the text falls off the title bars |
<navarre> | I vote yes on a move to CSS, the details aren't that important here. |
| this should be handled by a web-dev team, no? |
<dle> | what's the motion? |
<vic> | There's no motion yet |
| Would anyone like to raise a motion? :) |
<MikeKenzie> | What will be involved with moving the old content over? |
<navarre> | I move that we adopt the CSS-based changes, details to be handled by a web-development team later. |
| this is too much detail for a board meeting |
<dle> | seconded |
<WarrenLayton> | navarre: aye (on both counts) |
<MikeKenzie> | aye |
<dle> | aye |
<vic> | aye |
<scjody> | For reference: http://modernduck.com/temp/newsite-winme .jpg |
<vic> | MikeKenzie: The old content is pretty much all right in the new design. |
<scjody> | Who will be on the web development team? That motion has too _little detail :) |
<vic> | Xenguy is a main web dude |
<scjody> | And yeah, this is stock win me, so no antialiasing. |
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<navarre> | I suppose anyone wanting to directly work on the oclug website. |
| under our fearless leader, Xenguy |
<MikeKenzie> | LEts put a call out the the membership and see if anyone is still interested |
<scjody> | So basically status quo then. |
<dle> | how so? |
<vic> | I maintain one section as well...the ExitCert stuff. I think if certain people take little parts, then things would be alright. |
| e.g...if WarrenLayton is our meeting coordinator, then he can maintain the meetings page. |
| Willy does the PGP stuff. |
<scjody> | dle: A totally unspecified team led by Xenguy. That's what we have now. |
<vic> | etc.... |
| It's not *totally* unspecified. But we just need to define it a little better I think. |
<dle> | scjody: i see. |
| what we need is new volunteers. |
<MikeKenzie> | maybe put up a page for maintainers? |
<WarrenLayton> | dle: You're jumpin 3 points ahead in the agenda :-) |
<vic> | :) |
<scjody> | Well, ajh was trying to volunteer at one point and has, in fact, spent a large amount of time producing the finux.org page. |
<navarre> | I had planned to meet with Xenguy and maybe a couple of others in the near future to discuss setting up CVS and rsync. |
<dle> | nod. I think we have a 'go' for using the changes, yes? |
<vic> | Yes. |
| And I think ajh deserves a big "thank you" for putting it together. |
<MikeKenzie> | Maybe scheduale an ExitCertified seminar on making changes? |
<navarre> | once we have a process worked-out, that would be a great idea |
<vic> | But how many volunteers do we want / need for the website? Not that many, really.... |
<scjody> | So we're going to delay indefinately until we have CVS, and/or a process? |
<dle> | all the pages should be coverd. |
<Xenguy> | Folks, I think I listened, and I've heard... |
<vic> | But if we have a large roup, then yeah, we could do a session... |
| No...I don't think we shoulddelay, scjody. I think we should implement changes soon. |
| We can set up CVS etc at any point.... |
<Xenguy> | I think it would be best if I step aside and let new blood run... |
| It seems to me that is what is being asked for here. |
<dle> | i don't see that. |
<vic> | Nah...I haven't asked that at all. |
* navarre | scratches head |
<WarrenLayton> | Xenguy: That's not how I have interpreted it. |
<Xenguy> | OK, well maybe I took it the wrong way |
| But I have been thinking along these lines for some time now actually |
| I'd really like to be able to move things forward, rather than just maintain the site... |
<vic> | Xenguy: I think you've been doing a good job. We just need to make it easier to get other people involved, so that you're not stuck doing everything...and so updates can happen faster and easier. |
<Xenguy> | But I'm not sure I have the time/energy/motivation to do that. |
| vic: yeah, that's part of the issue, sure |
<dle> | yeah. me point re 'new volunteers' was a general one, applying to all of OCLUG. |
| in addition to being out-fo-turn. |
<MikeKenzie> | That's why we need to break things into small pieces |
<vic> | If people volunteer to do one small section of the site, and then we have a "main" webmaster do the layour, CSS, etc....things will be simple. |
<navarre> | most projects require a benevolent dictator for patches to flow through. IMHO, that's still you Xenguy |
<dle> | nod. 'penguin -n the middle" is a term I lke. |
<navarre> | otherwise, too many cooks in the kitchen |
<vic> | Yup. |
| No problem if there are any cooks in a big kitchen, as long as they're cooking their own stuff. :) |
<Xenguy> | navarre: OK, that's fine, but at the same time, there have been occasional suggestions that I'm trying to 'control' the site - I don't want that to be the case |
<navarre> | hmm. |
<vic> | I think that suggestion came about because it's been difficult for people to get involved. |
<navarre> | someone needs to through |
| though even |
| we just need an easy way for people to contribute, that's all. |
<Xenguy> | agreed |
<vic> | I think this will be good....let's just get it going. |
<navarre> | and version control to roll back boneheaded changes. For example, I make those. :) |
<MikeKenzie> | People still seem reluctant to create wiki pages |
<Xenguy> | MikeKenzie: well that part is wide-open at least |
<MikeKenzie> | exactly |
<Xenguy> | vic: we're still going to do CVS, yes? (my daughter's b-day is done now, so ... :-) |
<vic> | Yeah...let me know when. |
| Later this week is good. |
<Xenguy> | OK |
<vic> | ut anyway...let's move on to the next topic, unless anyone has any last words? |
<MikeKenzie> | so next meeting we will hace CVS and CSS? |
<Xenguy> | CVS definitely... |
<vic> | And we need to get a tarball of ajh's site. |
<navarre> | I'm also suggesting rsync, so changes to the production site are not made live. |
<vic> | Yup. |
<Xenguy> | I don't know about CSS - I'm just not sure right at the moment |
<navarre> | The lead developer can just "cvs update" a sandbox, test it, and if they're happy, push it out. |
<Xenguy> | If I'm not the guy, I'll let you all know of course |
<vic> | That's the pan. |
| plan |
<Xenguy> | navarre: yes |
<WarrenLayton> | next topic? |
<vic> | OK..can we move on? |
| Next topic: Board elections |
| We need volunteers to run this. |
<dle> | we need volunteers for the seats. |
<Xenguy> | vic: who's that fellow who usually helps? |
<WarrenLayton> | Hugh Campbell? |
<vic> | Ah...ummm... |
<Xenguy> | yes |
<vic> | Yes, that's it |
<dle> | yea |
| seriously, if we don't have candidates there's little point in finding people to run the election. |
<vic> | We need: Membership list, membership forms, ballots, ballot box, Person to run it/count (Hugh) anda second person to verify. |
<dle> | last, I looked there were 3. |
<vic> | We'll get the candidates.... |
<Xenguy> | vic: I have membership forms |
<MikeKenzie> | we could prepare a bylaw amendment to reducd the size of the baord |
<Xenguy> | if need be |
<vic> | let's not do that until we really need to. |
| I think we'll get enough.... |
<MikeKenzie> | It will take a few meetings of debate to get it worked out |
<vic> | It's still early. Nobody has really approached anyone about running yet either. |
<dle> | i have a note to the gen. list re volntring in the works. i'll mention the elections in it. |
<WarrenLayton> | dle: Can we have a look at it before it gets posted? |
<vic> | Can I suggest an action item: Someone on the board to work with Hugh to run the election....or at least get him rolling with it. |
| Or find someone else to do it, if he's not up to it. |
<dle> | WarrenLayton: i guess. i didn't intend it to be from the board, so to speak. |
<WarrenLayton> | dle: Ah, ok. |
<dle> | although it could be, if we want that. |
<Xenguy> | brb |
| back |
<vic> | OK...I might just volunteer myself to get some of this election stuff done. |
| I can recruit some people to run it, and make sure all the materials are there. |
| I can also pester people to run. |
<dle> | vic: pencil me in as an assistant. i'll try to firm that up in the next couple weeks. |
<vic> | dle: Sure. |
| I want to makesure the people actaully *running* the election are not board members though. |
<dle> | mm. |
<vic> | OK...so let's note that Vic and dle will get the election ball rolling. |
<scjody> | vic: It's more important that they not be _candidates_ |
<vic> | yes, of course. |
<MikeKenzie> | we should also contact the auditor |
<scjody> | Who's not running again, out of curiosity? |
<vic> | It still might look a little odd if board members are running it...like having too much influence or something. |
<Xenguy> | yes, what is his name? |
<WarrenLayton> | Don Chiasson? |
<vic> | I'm definitely not running. Maybe again in a year.... |
<Xenguy> | WarrenLayton: right (yer good!) |
<vic> | Yes, we need to contact Don. |
<navarre> | I won't be. I'd like to, but I have another kid coming and I can barely handle it now. |
<WarrenLayton> | last name might be spelled differently... |
<dle> | I may or may not. Depends on how the rest of the process shakes down. |
<vic> | I hink that spelling is correct. |
<WarrenLayton> | I will definitely be running. |
| and I would like some company! |
<navarre> | I'll run again in the future, but not this year. |
<vic> | I still want to do other stuff with OCLUG, but want to take a break from the board. I fully intent to be a volunteer. |
<navarre> | Yeah, I'll still be volunteering for talks and such. |
<vic> | Anyway....any more comments abou elections? |
<WarrenLayton> | not from me |
<vic> | ok...LET'S GO. |
| dle: YOu're up. Beer. |
<dle> | didn't we demolish this topic last meeting? |
<Xenguy> | speaking of which... |
<vic> | We didn't end up discussing it on the list. |
| But yeah....I'm not too excited to talk about it. |
| I think we should just wait for a new blurb to get posted to the list, and discuss it then. |
<dle> | oh. I thought i was to make some changes and get approval. haven't done so yet. |
<navarre> | there was an action to punt it to the list? |
<dle> | s/make/suggest |
<vic> | OK...Well, let's just continue that then.... |
<dle> | okay. |
<Xenguy> | [dle: last minute entry -- the volunteering problem] |
| ? |
<dle> | we ain't got none. |
| or almost none. |
| OCLUG will die without 'em. |
<vic> | dle: You seem to be the "volunteer dude" now. Do you want to take on the role of recruiting some people? |
<Xenguy> | there does seem to be a dirth of 'young blood' |
<dle> | sure. |
<MikeKenzie> | could we set up a mentoring program? |
<dle> | could you expand on that, MikeKenzie? |
<MikeKenzie> | A lot of stuff we need volunteers for takes some experience |
<vic> | We have some good new blood....orospakr, liquidnerd. They've been very enthusiastic. |
<Xenguy> | er, derth |
<dle> | dearth. :) |
<MikeKenzie> | we could take someone with interest and have them help |
<vic> | Darth. |
<Xenguy> | agghh |
<dle> | MikeKenzie, I'm not sure I know precisely what you mean. but of course some newcomers will require bringing along. |
<MikeKenzie> | another option is to document the process to death |
<WarrenLayton> | orospakr has been wanting to do a talk about Mono for a while. Why not encourage him to do a lightning talk? |
<dle> | sure. |
<Xenguy> | re orospakr: why not give him the limelight? |
<dle> | i think he's planned the 'big talk' for OSW. |
<Xenguy> | ahh |
<dle> | although that doesn';t preclude EC. |
<WarrenLayton> | electric circus? |
<dle> | for gen. meetings, a shorter talk wouild be more appropriate, I think. |
| Exit Certified. |
<WarrenLayton> | oops |
<Xenguy> | dle: do you have more brainwaves re: volunteering |
<dle> | item: we should officially pass a vote on ajh's bringing to town of whathisface. |
<vic> | dle: We did. |
<dle> | Xenguy: not right now. will communicate with the b. list. |
<Xenguy> | nod |
<dle> | vic: how did it go? |
<vic> | Yes, try to get him for Marc. Max $600cdn budget. |
| March. |
<dle> | okay. |
| er-- I mean. Outrageous!!! I protest!!! |
| ;) |
<vic> | Too late. ;-) |
| OK...anything else about volunteers? |
<dle> | no. we need 'em, I'll try to get 'em. |
<vic> | Great |
| Alright. NExt item: 2004 Budget. MikeKenzie? |
<MikeKenzie> | I think this is more for the next board, but it would be nice to have some ideas first |
| We now have some cash in the bank, I think it's time to think about what we want to do with it rather than react to suggestions that come along |
<dle> | aside: Mike are you running again or intending to stay on as appointed treasurer? |
<MikeKenzie> | yup |
<vic> | I think Mike should run again. I don't like the idea of just appointing people so much. Even though I think Mike is the best person for the job. |
<MikeKenzie> | it would need a bylaw ammendment as well |
<vic> | Yup. |
<dle> | perhaps we had better make this another item, for another meeting if need be. |
<vic> | Are there any major budget concerns to worry about? Library is paid to end of th 2004 I think. |
| ExitCertified brings in money every month.... |
| LITW.... |
<MikeKenzie> | Everything looks good, I'd like ot get a GIC to cover us for a year to remove any temptation |
<dle> | i think Mike is suggesting we plan our expenditures proactively. |
| yar |
<vic> | I totalyl agree with MikeKenzie about putting some money aside. |
<navarre> | not to mention a little interest... |
<dle> | i'm a financial moron. i don't know what a GIC is. |
<MikeKenzie> | Guaranteed Investment Certificate |
<vic> | Guaranteed Income Certificate (I think) |
<dle> | that tells me little. :) |
<navarre> | very safe investment, with small, reliable returns |
<vic> | You put money in...get interest. No risk. |
<dle> | where does the money go? |
<MikeKenzie> | It''s like a savings account taht you promise not toi take your moeny from for a set term |
| usually T-bills and mortgages |
<dle> | Tbill? |
<Xenguy> | MikeKenzie: what's the typical return? (interest) |
<WarrenLayton> | perhaps we can move this discussion to later, post-meeting? |
<navarre> | treasury bill...? |
<MikeKenzie> | Treasurey bills - short term goverment bonds |
<dle> | okay. |
<vic> | yeah...details of what the bank does with it are off-topic. :) |
<MikeKenzie> | OK |
<WarrenLayton> | unless it's RBC funding SCO... |
* WarrenLayton | ducks |
<vic> | ha! |
<dle> | vic: not if it were like a mutual fund. i'd want to know which companies it was going to. but it isn't anyway. |
<MikeKenzie> | there may be some money made this week shorting SCOX |
<vic> | MikeKenzie: Can you come up with a proposal and post it to the list? Then we can vote on it and put some money aside. How does that sound? |
<MikeKenzie> | good |
<Xenguy> | yeah, I'm nodding off at this point |
<vic> | Xenguy: WAKE UP!!! |
<Xenguy> | ;-) |
<vic> | OK....only 2 more items...quick I think. :) |
<Xenguy> | we are coming up on 2 hours |
* navarre | sips his coffee |
<vic> | The proposed linux-jobs mailing list. |
<WarrenLayton> | no thanks |
<vic> | Xomments? |
| Comments? |
<navarre> | I dont' think there's enough volume to justify it. |
<WarrenLayton> | I'd rather just have the postings go to the main list |
<MikeKenzie> | Who would mederate the list? |
<Xenguy> | MikeKenzie: dave0 |
<dle> | yeah. I can't see how it would help more than it would complicate. |
<vic> | daveo might be the obvious candiate. |
<WarrenLayton> | (unless it gets out of hand) |
<vic> | I have no problem with job postings going to our regular list. Wouldn't want to see resumes on the list too often tough.... |
<navarre> | If we got a ton of these jobs emails, I'd say yes, but we don't. |
<MikeKenzie> | could we add the proposed tags to the Netiquett document? |
<navarre> | I don't think resumes on the list are appropriate. |
<WarrenLayton> | I like the idea that new lurkers on the main list could potentially see linux jobs being advertized there. |
| navarre: Agreed. |
<vic> | I don't think anybody reads the netiquette document. :) |
<navarre> | vic: Yeah, but we can point to it and go see? see?? :) |
<MikeKenzie> | Andrews list page sort of had it there n plain sight |
<vic> | Yup! |
| Yeah...I liked that part of ajh's redesign. |
<MikeKenzie> | and the irc help too |
<vic> | Yup. |
| But back top the topic of the linux-jobs list.... Is there anyone in favour of it? |
| I'm pretty indifferent myself....undecided. |
<WarrenLayton> | Not me - at this point. |
<dle> | nor I. |
<Xenguy> | I'm happy to give it a try, but I think it would take active promotion to work |
<vic> | Yeah. |
<Xenguy> | dave0 would have to do that I guess |
<vic> | I think we could create it, and get daveo to promote it.... Any jobs sent to the main list could get forwarded to the jobs list. |
| I wouldn't want to discourage job posts from the main list.... |
<Xenguy> | there's no real harm creating it - if it flops, it flops |
<vic> | How's the newbie list coming along?? |
<dle> | no one has really argued in its favour here. or elsewhere, the jobs list. |
<MikeKenzie> | that seems to be the consensus on the list |
<dle> | no one has said what good it might do. |
<navarre> | the newbie list is quiet, but we get occasional postings |
<dle> | or what it's for. |
<Xenguy> | well dave0 made his case, and some people responded |
<dle> | what was his case? ... |
<scjody> | dle: If we start a jobs list, think of the "discussion" we'll get on the main list next time someone posts a job there. Isn't that what we're here to do, as a board? |
<vic> | I thnk the job list would at least provide people a place to read/post job-related stuff if they don't have time to pay attention to the main list. |
<Xenguy> | I don't really care, other than I hate to see people unemployed - period. |
<dle> | scjody: I don't understand your point. |
<Xenguy> | scjody: nor I |
<navarre> | if I'm subscribed to oclug, will that automagickally subscribe me to oclug-jobs? I wouldn't want to miss job postings. |
<Xenguy> | navarre: no - KISS |
<navarre> | KISS implies we keep it all on oclug |
<vic> | The OCLUG-jobs list was also for resume posting. I wouldn't want to see that on OCLUG. |
<Xenguy> | that could be |
<dle> | dave0''s RFP really offers only resumes as an additional benefit, but is a mailing list the best way to share those? we'd be getter off having a jobs section on the website. |
<Xenguy> | dle: I can see problems with that... |
<WarrenLayton> | vic: Resume posting is a waste of time, IMHO. |
<MikeKenzie> | OTT.jobs is almost usless becaise to the headhunter spam |
<scjody> | WarrenLayton: I agree. |
<Xenguy> | dle: when Joe Blow's resume has been posted for 18 months ;-) |
<MikeKenzie> | daveO did mention a 3 month cut off |
<navarre> | Resume posting should be prohibited. If anyone is offering a job, they'll post, and those seeking can respond privately. |
<dle> | i don't think there's anything to vote on then. if even the one different thing in the RFP is controversial, we don't have a useful proposal. |
<WarrenLayton> | navarre: Yes. And that can be done just fine on the oclug list. |
<dle> | i suggest we send it back. |
<Xenguy> | we seem undecided |
<navarre> | WarrenLayton: agreed |
<MikeKenzie> | agreed |
<vic> | I think we sound pretty decided.... |
<dle> | i say, let theose interested try agina if they want. |
<vic> | Yeah, let's send it back. |
<dle> | ahem, again. |
<vic> | Maybe if we get more demand from other people we can re-visit this. |
<dle> | nod |
<Xenguy> | what does 'send it back' mean then? |
<dle> | say that we can't vote on it because the proposal itself is too flimsy. |
<MikeKenzie> | we defferred the proposal to allow for further input from the membership |
<Xenguy> | OK |
<navarre> | action to update the nettiquette doc re: resume posting? |
<MikeKenzie> | and add the [JOB] tag |
<navarre> | yup |
<vic> | Did the resume come in with the [OT] tag? |
| If so....it's not a big deal if it happens occsaionally. |
<dle> | there was a resume? |
<MikeKenzie> | it was a link |
<Xenguy> | I think I'm cooked |
| that's 2 hours now |
<WarrenLayton> | yeah, let's move along |
<vic> | Yeah..he marked it OT.... I don't think we need to put more stuff in netquette about tags.... |
| If we start doing that, we'll have tags for every damn post. :) |
<dle> | yeah |
<MikeKenzie> | gatineau was aded already, ca www.linux.ca be added as well |
<vic> | [KDE] blah blah |
<dle> | hah |
<vic> | [mutt] blah blah.. :) |
<navarre> | [gnomesucks] blah blah... :) |
<vic> | Does anyone object to adding links to those other lUGs? Certainly not I.... |
<dle> | [fuck you] blah blah blah |
| not I. |
<WarrenLayton> | Perhaps links to nearby LUGs could replace some of the other links (*ahem* Slashdot) |
<dle> | hear hear. |
<MikeKenzie> | MLug and Kingston would be others to add |
<vic> | yeah...we can update the links at some point in the future...get some more relevent stuff up there.... |
| But anyway, it appears we're in agreement over that agenda item. |
<Xenguy> | maybe post those to oclug-www? (that's what it's supposed to be for) |
<vic> | Good idea. Someone find those lionks and post 'em there. |
| Who can do that? |
<MikeKenzie> | I'll hunt them down in the morning |
<vic> | great |
<Xenguy> | alright |
<vic> | Alright...I think that's it. Anything else? |
| Oh...should we split the mailing list? |
| ;-) |
<Xenguy> | grrr |
* dle | explodes. |
<Xenguy> | ;-) |
<vic> | haha |